(On gay marriage) Someone wipe Cardinal Keith’s chin! He is dribbling something horrible!

A post by Neil Hart on Homosexuality, LGBT lesbian and gay stuff and the Lutheran Church of Australia.

One listener heard an interview recently with Cardinal Keith O’Brien of Scotland. He said,

“I think I got up too early this morning….I turned on the radio and it appears to be the 1950’s”.

That about sums it up.

He was giving some of the usual and peculiar church brand of logic to oppose marriage equality. Here are some of his arguments. They are printed in black, reader, to make things easier for your tired brain.  I put my comments, after his, in red… because I’m having a red kind of day. 

Cardinal Keith O'Brien after his much publicised "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" makeover.

(Please Note! Captions on Pictures are almost certainly not accurate at the time of publication.)

Cardinal Keith says….

Civil partnerships have been in place for several years now, allowing same-sex couples to register their relationship and enjoy a variety of legal protections.

Except the church vociferously objected to every step of this legislation. In Australia the Lutheran Church publically objected to the introduction of legislation that finally brought justice into superannuation laws for gay couples. And now the churches magnanimously declare, “Everything is Fine! …these “Gays” enjoy a variety of legal protection. They dont need marriage.” Like my Dad used to say…they got more front than…than…something with a really big front. (Damn…I wish i listened more to what he said. )  

Since all the legal rights of marriage are already available to homosexual couples, it is clear that this proposal is not about rights, but rather is an attempt to redefine marriage for the whole of society at the behest of a small minority of activists.

Of course. I remember Jesus saying that somewhere…

“Beloved, might is right. For, have you not read that the least amoung you shall count for nothing and that the opinion of the masses is almost always right?” Then he told them this parable. “What man amoung you, having 100 sheep and finding  that one of them is lost and in trouble does not look at the 99 and say..”.Meh…its only one…why stress!” Surely this wise shepherd then sets about building bigger walls around the 99 to keep them better controlled.

( St Marvin the Bigot. Chapter 2 Vs 12-15.)  

Redefining marriage will have huge implications for what is taught in our schools, and for wider society. It will redefine society since the institution of marriage is one of the fundamental building blocks of society. The repercussions of enacting same-sex marriage into law will be immense.

Yes, I can imagine a teacher 50 years from now talking to his class.

Thats right Children, years ago, there were many terrible things that happened in societies and many people were treated unfairly. There were people who were made slaves because of the colour of their skin and women were treated like their husbands property! .  Black and white people weren’t allowed to marry each other. Can you imasgine that Barry, Neil and Jennifer? Your parents wouldn’t be allowed to be married if we lived back then! And for a long time people of the same sex werent allowed to get married. Can you imagine that Kathrine and Mary and Bob?. If we lived back then YOUR parents wouldn’t be allowed to get married either. Aren’t we lucky that we don’t live way back then.

(BTW People 50 years from now will have very boring names). 

But can we simply redefine terms at a whim? Can a word whose meaning has been clearly understood in every society throughout history suddenly be changed to mean something else?

IS HE SERIOUS???? How did this intellectual giant get his job? He must have known somebody or else slept with…O yeh…thats right…He must have known somebody!

If same-sex marriage is enacted into law what will happen to the teacher who wants to tell pupils that marriage can only mean – and has only ever meant – the union of a man and a woman?

Will that teacher’s right to hold and teach this view be respected or will it be removed?

That teacher will have to go and stand with the teachers who want to teach that the earth is the center of the universe and that the world is flat and other things that are NOT TRUE! 

Not even in the Bible, let alone all the different societies and cultures in the history of the earth, has marriage “only ever meant the union of one man and one woman”. Sheesh! 

There is no doubt that, as a society, we have become blasé about the importance of marriage as a stabilising influence and less inclined to prize it as a worthwhile institution.

Lets just break that one down a bit. A gay couple are so “blase” about the importance of marriage, they so consider it a worthless institution…that they fight tooth and nail over many years, against insurmountable opposition for their right to participate in it. Cmon Keith! Your argument is not about upholding marriage as a worthwhile institution. Its not about maintaining the stabalising influence of marriage. Its all about denying a minority group their right to that stabalising and worthwhile institution.

Other dangers exist. If marriage can be redefined so that it no longer means a man and a woman but two men or two women, why stop there? Why not allow three men or a woman and two men to constitute a marriage, if they pledge their fidelity to one another?

And Children! And Dogs! And refrigerators…dont forget refrigerators! I mean….where will it end???

(Cardinal Keith spoke of human rights and then dropped this clanger…)

Imagine for a moment that the Government had decided to legalise slavery but assured us that “no one will be forced to keep a slave”.

Would such worthless assurances calm our fury? Would they justify dismantling a fundamental human right? Or would they simply amount to weasel words masking a great wrong?

OK. I gotta say something here. “Our fury” he says? “Great wrong” he says? High moral ground? How dare he! The church, including the Lutheran Church stood against the abolitionists and supported slavery as God’s Biblical preordained order for society. They condemned the abolitionists. Read these if you’re interested and have time…perhaps later…

Lutheran Church approves slavery: godly and biblical says theologian

Lutheran Church says slavery is good and godly. Pt 2.

OK church! Tell me why we dont have slaves anymore and ill listen to your views on homosexuality.

Is Neil’s Argument Flawed? Is there a link between the slavery and homosexuality texts?

And now Cardinal Keith uses the horror and injustice of slavery in some weird logical loop that twists in on itself until his brain dislocates, as an analogy to oppose same sex marriage. Keith. Mate.  Im gonna type this slowly so that you will be able to follow along, ok? The church stood in favour of slavery because of what they thought the Bible said. They were wrong. Slavery was bad and unjust and it hurt people. The church stands against marriage equality and homosexuality in general because of what they think the Bible says. They are wrong. The gay marriage ban and prejudice attitudes toward gay people is bad and unjust and it hurts people. 

Cmon Keith..Under that high hat of yours and behind the dangerous looking stick is supposed to be someone who speaks for Jesus! Get is right! OK! Coz Jesus said good stuff! Not this dribble. 

 Cardinal O’Brien is President of the Bishops’ Conference of Scotland and Britain’s most senior Catholic. Read the full article here. 


I’ve used the Jesus and Mo cartoon recently and I dont want to stretch the friendship..but I cant resist. They have a wonderful take on this

They made Cardinal Keith their Guest script writer for this one :) 

Check them out at http://www.jesusandmo.net/