Barney, do you know that the bible describes your wife during her monthly “uncleaness” an abomination? But it would be just plain offensive to call her an abomination. Wouldnt you agree?
Barney, you put your name to your statement and that, to me, means you should have a respectful response.
You will admit that what you say is strong. I believe you to be a reasonable man with a christian heart. As such I’m sure that you would allow me the right to challenge you to back up your accusations with some facts and explanations.
Firstly, I want you to show me how I have broken my ordination vow. And it is no good just saying that I “do not hold to scripture” or something like that. The point in question is homosexuality. The “vow” aspect of that is the DSTO. Can you explain to me the nature of the DSTO in the Lutheran Church of Australia in relation to ordination vows. can you explain to me how pastors or anyone from the LCA can be involved in effecting change in controverted statements? Can you explain to me how over half of the LCA pastors have not broken their ordination vows by the simple fact that they publically stated their disagreement with the DSTO by vote at the national synod in 2006. Should they all resign from the ministry?
Secondly, you have stepped back into the debate at this point to accuse me of bringing spiritual ruin into peoples lives and souls, that i have willingly misguided them and that i have dishonoured my ordination vows. And yet you have not so strongly jumped in at any of the times that I have given the scriptural position for my stand. I challenge you now to do that… and not generally, specifically. I have taken the time to lay out my case, point by point. I ask you now to do me the courtesy of addressing what i have said, point by point. In fairness, barney, you dont get to jump in now, make accusations that you know are designed to hurt, and ignore everything that has gone before.
So…..Please put you Mth to work and explain to me
1. Your position on the slavery texts. Why is it that we do not have slavery when the clear word of God, the Lutheran Confessors, and thousands of years of common societal tradition back it up as a godly practice mirroring the relationship between Jesus in heaven as the master of his slaves on earth. (Please reread the 4 posts on slavery)
2. Can you explain to me the meaning behind Jesus Statement “The law was made for people, not people for the law”.
3. Can you defend the Lutheran Church’s confusing statement that Homosexual propensity is NOT sin, but homosexual activity IS sin, when this clearly goes against the sermon on the mount and the most basic understanding of sin as being not only those things we do but those things we think and desire.
This is usually the point where the other accusers disappear…i trust that you will stick around to answer. Barney, lets pretend that, right here, right now, you and i represent two different ways of reading scritpure in our church. Let us be the test case. Are we able to go forward in continuing dialogue? or… is a split between you and me inevitable? I really hope for the former…