John 9: Jesus and the Man Born Gay! Judgement! And the Offence of a Radical Gospel.
A post by Neil Hart on homosexuality, lesbian and gay stuff and the Lutheran Church of Australia.
A story. Dedicated to a few friends on the blog and the list. Hope you enjoy.
The gay guy was resting back against the wall, the shadows protecting him from the midday heat of the sun. The shadow also protected him a little from the unwelcome attention of the villagers. Ever since he was a boy he knew that he was different and any time he had expressed those differences he was soon taught not to do it again sometimes in a very cruel manner. Still, the villagers never let him forget what he was and what they thought of him. Yes, the gay guy was used to hiding in shadows. He closed his eyes and deliberately took no notice of the group that was approaching.
James and John knew this village well. They had relatives here and had visited often. They both saw the gay guy in the shadows and exchanged a knowing look. “Jesus” asked James, “Was this guy born gay? Was he a sinner in the womb? Or was it his parents sin?
Jesus sighed, then smiled. “Guys, Its not about sin. In the very first sermon I ever preached I said that my ministry would be all about freedom. I’m here to announce freedom for slaves and women, to restore dignity to those who are marginalised, oppressed rejected and hurting. I am here for the least, the last the, the lost and the little ones. Youve heard of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Well, I am here to enact the Universal Declaration of the Love of God.”
And he walked up to the gay guy, took him by the shoulders. The startled man opened his eyes and Jesus looked intently into them. In that moment, in that look, the gay guy understood that he was totally known…totally exposed.
And Jesus embraced him.
For the first time in his life, or at least for as long as he could remember the gay guy knew that he was completely accepted and deeply loved. He stood for a moment looking at Jesus in wonder. Then he ran, ran as fast as he could down the street. He didnt know where he was running to. It didnt matter. He was simply reveling in the sensation of movement and the pleasure of being alive.
The villagers looked at him. “Isnt that…? No, it cant be! I looks like him…but he looks so different now…has anyone ever seen a smile like that?” But one of a gang of young men said. “No,thats not him. That gay guy hasnt shown his face in this part of the village since we put him in his place a few years back.” But the others werent so sure.
The pharisees heard about this. They had already decided that Jesus was a heretic and a false prophet. They were just looking for an excuse to bring charges against him. Some of the bigger men of the council went to the gay guy to “request” his presence at an official hearing. He was dragged in and the leader of the council spoke.
Tell me! Are you gay?
Yes.
Dont you know that that is sinful?
People keep telling me that!
This Jesus. What did he do to you.
He embraced me.
Publically?
Yup, lots of people were watching.
Did he say anything else? Warn you of your sin? Call you to repentance?
“No, he just looked at me, hugged me and kissed me. And it was the most powerful and wonderful moment of my life.
No confession? No call to repentance? What more proof do we need? This Jesus obviously isn’t from God.
“Well, isnt that interesting” said the gay guy. “You men present yourselves as the representatives of God. Yet from the moment of my birth all I have heard from you has been condemnation. All I have recieved from you is abuse. All I have lived because of you is fear and shadows. Well, with one look, one embrace, this man brought a greater sense of holiness, and wonder, peace and joy into my life than all of your words and theological ruminations combined.”
“How Dare you! said the leader. ”You were born sinful and the stench of your sin makes me sick even now. Dont you presume to lecture US!”. Throw him out.” And he was beaten. But somehow, despite the beating he felt powerful. And in the eyes of those who beat him he was suprised to see THEIR fear, THEIRs dark shadow and THEIR hiding. And suddenly he knew, and he smiled.
He went down to the well to draw some water and wash the blood of his face and cool his bruised ribs. Even now some people were looking and pointing and talking about him behind their veils and hands. “Ah well”, he thought, “thats their problem. not mine”. And he knew as he said it that it was true. He smiled again. It still felt good.
Jesus had heard what had happened and found him by the well.
“Do you believe in the Son of Man?” Jesus asked.
The gay guy was still facing the well, and so he wasnt sure that is was him who was being addressed. But when no one else responded he started to turn around.
“And who is this ‘Son of Man’ that I should believe in him?”
He finished speaking at the same time that he finished turning and his eyes met Jesus’ for the second time in his life. For a moment he was sure that his heart had stopped beating and that the whole universe had focused on him and Jesus.
Jesus touched his bruised face with a look of concern. But then he took the gay guys hand and smiled. “I think you know already. You saw him a few hours ago and he is talking to you right now.”
“He squeezed Jesus hand with both of his. Some of the bloody water in the cloth he still held dripped down from their hands onto Jesus feet.
“My Lord and the love of my life. I believe!”
Jesus’ eyes never left those of the gay guy. He spoke, but it was clear form the elevated volume and the suddenly stern tone in his voice that this message was meant for others in the crowd.
“I came into this world for Judgement. But it is a judgement will happen in your own conscience, your own spirit. My actions will always bring division for those who observe. (although never for those who receive.)” The last part was spoken quietly and the gay guy knew that these words were meant for him.
“Some who claim no special knowledge other than the knowledge of their own needs will be made the wisdom of God. Others who claim to speak the wisdom of God will be shown to be fools.”
The pharisees in the crowd whispered to each other. “Does he mean us? Is he calling us fools?”
Jesus said. “If only you would look to your own needs rather that your claim to speak for God then you would truly become the wisdom of God. But in your self appointed wisdom you remain the voice of a fool.
Thank you, thank you!
There’s nothing that can be said after this – how can you add anything to the Gospel to make it into better news?
it felt like a gift.
Thank you thank you thank you Neil! Beautifully written!!!!!!
That is what Jesus was about! Praise Him!!
Today in church we sang a song. (one of many)… Some tears came to my eyes at this verse…
Bread of heaven, give us new hearts,
teach us how to love and share;
all are equal at the table,
make us equal everywhere.
I don’t know that Robin wrote it to champion the rights of gay Lutherans in 1988 but if only some could hear these words, understand and start to act with compassion! No matter what our sin we are all equal and deserve to be treated equal. We are all sinners… the gossipers, the negative thoughts, the lustful glances, the stealing, the rapists, the murderers the adulterers. All sin, all the same. BUT God sees us as all equal, none higher than the other. None less of a sinner than the other. FAITH ALONE!!!!!!!!!
Jesus loves me, this I know!
Beautiful, life giving. Thank you
:-)
:)
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now that was just a little bit special, thank you.
Pure genius. I had to back and read the actual chapter to see for myself and you truly did it justice. So beautiful!
Thnx. :)
Sorry to pass a message here rather than on Phil Huebner’s blog (Neil, hope you don’t mind) but yes, you do indeed speak for me there, I do not feel heard by the man, and so decided to withdraw my engagement. I love Neil’s work, it shows that the particular Evangelical respect for the Bible does not have to mean despising God’s children. So when I fancy an Evan-jelly baby fix, I will come here rather than other blogs which depress me out of proportion to their importance.
I would be honoured by your presence. Thank you :)
Hi Clare
I think you had Neil confused a bit there! I completely understand! There is only so much crap you can put with! You will have to go back sneakily to have a look because Neil has challenged Phil to a debate! PS I loved your one liner on your blog post about Neil’s blog.
Neil – 6 of the kindest words at the bottom of Clare’s Poor Christians blog for you!
Adam
Sorry AB. I dont get what you mean.?
My goodness waht in the world is this? The gospel according to you? A rewriting of the scriptures? Do you remember what Jesus told (I think it was the Samaritan woman) after he warmly accepted her? He told her, “Go and sin no more.” He didn’t tell her that whatever she wanted to do was ok with him.
Do you know what God thinks about false prophecy? When somebody says this word is from God but it is not?
Thanks Christine. I would implore you to have another really long careful look at John 9…think carefully about what the real meaning of the whole chapter is about. And try to see why I wrote what i did, And, when you comment, remember that you dont know me ( I assume) and be as gracious as you possibly can in your criticism.
And, in a way, the Gospel IS according to me. and you… and all of us who have received it, interanlised it, lived it and shared it with others. Thats the point. “Hey everyopne! This is the GOOD NEWS that I have heard and experienced! the unconditional gracious love of God in Christ. VCome and Get some!”
Yep, i guess that IS the gospel according to me. Whats the gospel according to YOU Kristine?
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We will need to ponder what the healing of a man born gay looks like.
But yes, this story from John 9 sets us off in the right direction in having that discussion.
And as we proceed, we’ll also need to address how this story applies to a man born ambivalent. Because there are many, and the church must speak a word from our Lord to them too.
thanks for that. I dont think it is the healing of the man born gay that John 9 is about (unless his “healing” was the freedom to be who he was made to be) You are right, the “blind”, those who need healing and sight are those who refuse to see the needs of others, the injustices that are all around them, in this case, the plight of the LGBT community.
Do not think that the Gospel of God in Christ is something we can qualify for according to how much of the law we are able to keep or not. If we fail in one part of the law we fail the whole Law.
nes pas? If we accept the Grace of the gospel it applies to all who sin & we all do. Can’t have your cake & eat it too i.e. judge one man & OK another. If Christians can’t get what grace is then don’t blame others for selecting Buddhism where Compassion is a given for everyone.
oui mon ami.
This has NOTHING to do with John 9, born without sight is NOT identical to be homosexual from an early age. Whilst I can and do pray for sexual deviants, they THEMSELVES have condemnation heaped upon their heads. There is NO such person as one who claims to be Christian and at the same time practices sodomy.
hey there Christian PJ Bahnerth Mth, Phd.Good to hear from you again. Would you care to share what you believe to be the main themes of John 9? What was Johns purpose? You will no doubt be aware that the miracles in john’s gospel are always called “signs” because they point to something else. In this case (John 9) the sign points to the question of who really sees and who is really blind. In the end of the chapter the man born blind truly sees as he acknowledges Jesus as Lord and God. The pharisees are truly blind because they insist on sticking to outdated laws that hurt people. I think there is something in that for all of us :)
Its good that you are praying for the sexual deviants. Im sure they appreciate it. Your last sentence seems to indicate that my gay friends who are in loving committed and intimate relationships are destined for hell. Can you confirm that this is your belief? Also, the estimated 30% of my married heterosexual friends who enjoy anal sex with their partner would seem destined to the same end. Do you believe this to be the case? Or is it the maleness of the orifice that makes it sodomy?
Just to clarify… I don’t believe homosexuality is a sin, but for the purposes of replying to that comment I will approach it as someone who does.
So you are saying there are different types of sin? I thought any sin was as bad as another one…
If you lie, you sin. If you dishonour your parents, you sin. If you think bad thoughts about a colleague you are having difficulties with, you sin. If you gossip, you sin.
But is it okay for Christians to do those things and still call themselves a Christian?
Because as you see sodomy as a sin (which I don’t, but will in the context of this comment take that point) apparently it is worse than the other ones and equals separation from Christ. It means nullification of my baptism, my confirmation and communion with Christ. Interesting…
It’s just that when I did my theological training I got a totally different message from Luther’s writing, The Freedom of a Christian. Maybe it’s just me but I seemed to hear a completely different message than you did. (ie lets go around damning people to hell)
If you wouldn’t mind putting together a list of the two categories of sin I’d really appreciate that. I don’t want to accidentally do something that might nullify my baptism.
Are you really a pastor of the Lca? I’m so glad you’re taking the pastoral care approach to those of us who are gay.
It’s people like you who obliterate my hope that the LCA will ever be tolerant of who I am.
Jesus loves me, this I know! For the BIBLE tells me so, NOT this guy!
To the best of my knowledge Christian PJ Bahnerth is not and never has been a pastor of the LCA. However, i do have to add that some pastors of the LCA have expressed the same distorted, unloving and condemnatory views.
The GOSPEL according to Neil Hart
Neil Hart has written a story – and a story it is – using the framework of John 9 – the man born blind – turning it into a story about a man born gay.
Pretending to know what Jesus would do on meeting a man who is gay for the majority of his life, Mr. Hart invents that James asked Jesus; “Was this man born gay? … ?”. The careful reader of the Word of God will notice that Mr. Hart’s story is a total fabrication and misuse of the Word of God. Then Mr. Hart writes:
“Guys, its (sic) not about sin. In the very first sermon I ever preached I said that my ministry would be all about freedom. I’m here to announce freedom for slaves and women, to restore dignity to all those who are marginalised, oppressed rejected and hurting. I am here for the least, the last, the lost and the little ones. You have heard of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Well, I am here to enact the Universal Declaration of the Love of God.”
He claims this to be the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ, few greater blasphemies have ever been committed.
RE: lcamyopinion of 2012-12-02.
Mr. Hart already knows – from previous blogs – what my belief is, thus there is no need for me to enlarge on this. However, for the benefit of other readers of this blog; I am a Confessional Lutheran adhering to the Word of God and to the Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church as expounded in the Book of Concord. I am, as Mr. Hart rightly states in his other “lcamyopinion of 2012-12-02”, not a Pastor of the LCA, and I never claimed that; however, I rather be a lay Bible student in the church – like Philip Melanchthon and others – than an ordained employee who cannot or will not comply with the Constitution of the LCA; particularly one who cannot or will not accept Article II – Confession – in full.
Those who profess that homosexuality is not a sin are better off in the Uniting Church than in the LCA; to Lutherans the practice of same gender sex is a sin, including sodomy, the exit of one’s digestive system has only one divinely designed purpose, as an EXIT.
You make me smile Christian. I notice you have now dropped the Mth Phd from your name. Probably just as well.
Happy to have your comments but you cant use this blog as a platform to hurt people. I have deleted a section of your comment accordingly. Congratulations. In the thousands of comments i have received you are only the second person I have had to do that to.
Please note that I have for this time added all my Theological qualifications, I have other academic qualifications hence I did not qualify for HECS to get a BTh. You knew that I was theologically qualified at academic level, hence I do not see it essential to show that every time.
It is not my purpose to hurt people in your blog, they are doing a fine job themselves. However, I have my doubt about those who claim to be Lutherans and either do not know what it is required of them to be a Lutheran according to our Constitution and By-Laws, or plainly disregard it. If one cannot agree with the Doctrine of the LCA then join the Uniting Church as suggested or an other denomination which matches your or their interpretation of God’s Word.
As one who has obtained an ordination in the LCA you would be aware of Article II in our Constitution i.e. the Confession. Live by that or change denomination.
To end, allow me to remind you of Matt. 7:21-27.
May God have mercy on us all.
Thanks for your response. In all honesty Im not sure of what you are talking about. Initailly I thought it was article 2 of the augsburg confession original sin. But you now seem to be referring to the constitution. Now Im not sure if you refer to the model congregational constitution? LCA Constitution? It might be helpful if you actually type out what the section you refer to says. Then, at least we can all be on the same page.
May be this is clear enough for you.
Lutheran Church of Australia Constitution and By-laws
Part A Constitution and By-laws Page 5th October 2009
01 – Constitution
ARTICLE II. CONFESSION
1. The Church accepts without reservation the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments,
as a whole and in all their parts, as the divinely inspired, written and inerrant Word of God,
and as the only infallible source and norm for all matters of faith, doctrine and life.
2. The Church acknowledges and accepts as true expositions of the Word of God and as its
own confession all the Symbolical Books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church contained in
the Book of Concord of 1580, namely, the three Ecumenical Creeds: the Apostles’ Creed,
the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed; the Unaltered Augsburg Confession; the
Apology of the Augsburg Confession; the Smalcald Articles; the Small Catechism of Luther;
the Large Catechism of Luther; and the Formula of Concord.
Furthermore
ARTICLE IV. MEMBERSHIP
1. The membership of the Church shall consist of congregations of baptised members. Such
congregations shall
(a) accept and hold the Confession of the Church;
(b) accept the Constitution and By-laws of the Church;
(c) submit a Constitution and By-laws acceptable to the Church; and
(d) undertake to participate in the work of the Church and to promote its Objects
Barney
Thanks for that Barney. but, no, it really isnt clear enough for me or, i suspect, for most thinking people. Obviously the HolY Scriptures are not the only infallible source and norm for how i should connect up the wiring on my house. Katy and Martin have also just published a post on the question of infallability.
http://katieandmartin.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/the-shame-of-honour-killings/
Now, Barny, im gonna stick myself wayyyyyy out on a limb here and say that i really dont think that Deut 22. 13-21 provides a very workable arrangement for new married couples. Do you?
Surely not! Are you married Barny? Did you hang out your sheets on the morning after? Do you have married children Barney? Did you demand to see their sheets?
You might also want to look here
https://katieandmartin.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/dear-dr-laura/
Perhaps you can answer the questions that seem to confound Dr Laura.
You have entered in a circular discussion. We have been at this spot again and BTW it has nothing to do with John 9.
PS. No need to be rude, we did have to wash our sheets after our wedding night and we are still together after 5+ decades.
Oh CPJB… I wish you were at my congregation. I’m so sick of being the only person on the directions roster. Every week I attend both services and talk to people as they arrive and if I think they might have sinned that week or if they might be pro women’s ordination (which is contradictory to the current LCA constitution)I give them a little card with directions on it to the other denominations in our local area. Totally don’t need that sort in our congregation. If you were here I’d only have to attend one service.
I just love the part of John 3:16 that says “that WHOEVER believes in Him AND DOESN’T ENGAGE IN ANAL SEX shall not perish but have eternal life.”
In fact I think I’ll put that on the reverse side of my directions cards this week. I’ll see how I can work it into my WELCOME conversation before service to find out if they have had anal sex. That’s a sure fire church growing technique. We’ll have hundreds in the pews every week! Can’t wait!!
Actually, LCA church growth over the last 100 years or so has consisted of getting Lutheran boys and girls together to have Lutheran babies to baptise. That hasnt been working so well. Maybe we should give your idea a run. I know Id turn up every week just to watch the reactions when you asked the question.
I’m trying to find a Lutheran boy to settle down with and help me pay for my surrogate baby!! Then I will be able to get it baptised.
Know any cute ones?
Jesus loves me, this I know!
Boys or babies? All babies are cute. Boys?…not so much
Marginalised Member, God’s Word does NOT say; I just love the part of John 3:16 that says “that WHOEVER believes in Him AND DOESN’T ENGAGE IN ANAL SEX shall not perish but have eternal life.”
John 3:16 (AV) reads; “For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Other versions/translations of the Word of God say the same thing in different wording. You used the added words “AND DOESN’T ENGAGE IN ANAL SEX” they are not included in God’s Word and hence are an addition to attempt to prove a personal agenda. Do Not muck around with the Word of God, it is NOT appropriate, read Matthew 7:21-23.
Jesus loves me, this I know also; however, He does not love it when I sin.
Barney
for the benefit of the readers…here is the passage barney is referencing.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
So, just for clarification Barney, Marginalised and I and others with a pro-gay attitude are not entering the kingdom of heaven? Jesus will say… away from me evil doers?
Some more on this blog;
Part 1 Responses to Mr. Hart. 1a the issues.
(i) Neil Hart butchered the Holy Scriptures to suit his own agenda attempting to prove that Jesus Christ approves of the homosexual lifestyle without repercussions.
(ii) Then after my advice that his STORY really had nothing to do with the real Words of the Holy Scripture, he tries to diffuse the situation by introducing the Pharisees as blind people.
(iii) Then Neil Hart asks a two pronged question;
a. “Your last sentence seem to indicate that my gay friends who are in a loving committed and intimate relationship are destined for hell. Can you confirm that this is your belief?”
b. “Also, the estimated 30% of my married heterosexual friends who enjoy anal sex with their partner would seem destined to the same end. Do you believe this to be the case?”
(iv) I stated that for those who cannot (or will not) comply with Lutheran doctrine they should join a denomination with a different interpretation of what is required of a true Christian.
(v) Then at Mr. Hart’s request I send him the verbatim of the relevant parts of the Constitution of the LCA, which resulted in his statement; “no, it really isn’t clear enough for me or, as I suspect, for most thinking people.”
(vi) On Matthew 7:21-23.
(vii) On Marginalised and Neil Hart and others with a pro-gay attitude not entering the kingdom of heaven.
Part 1 Responses to Mr. Hart. 1b the responses:
Point (i) I stated that Mr. Hart’s story has NOTHING to do with John 9, and that being born blind – a physical condition) has nothing to do with being homosexual from an early age (a sinful condition and an abomination to the Lord).
I Corinthians 5:9-11; Immorality Must Be Judged
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. NKJV
Point (ii) Yes the blind man did recognise who healed him and worshipped God. Pray that the sexual “confused” (to put it nicely) may open their eyes and worship God in spirit and in truth.
Point (iii) The applicable Scripture here is; Romans 1:24-32;
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
For those that can read let them read!
Point (iv) Those who cannot or will not accept Lutheran Doctrine cannot be counted among Lutherans. Let Lutherans be Lutherans and let the tares among the true Lutheran be recognised as such. It would be better for them and their peace in life to join another denomination where the doctrine allows sodomy, and other sexual deviations not authorised in the Word of God.
Point (v) How can it be for an ordained employee of the LCA to not understand a Major article of the Lutheran Constitution, given that it was a constituent part of his promise at ordination? How can it be for “most thinking people” – if they are LUTHERANS – not to understand Article II of the Constitution, which is also an integral part of the Constitution of their Parish/Congregation? Was it not taught/explained to them at their Confirmation, conversion and/or acceptance to membership into their Lutheran Parish/Congregation? The relevant text is not rocket science!
Point (vi) The text you mentioned!
I Never Knew You
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4674 3588 3686 2532 5119 3670
92.8 92.24 33.126 91.1 67.47 33.221
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αὐτοῖς4 ὅτι5 ►7 οὐδέποτε6 ἔγνων7 ὑμᾶς8 ἀποχωρεῖτε9 ἀπʼ10 ἐμοῦ11 →
αὐτός ὅτι οὐδέποτε γινώσκω σύ ἀποχωρέω ἀπό ἐγώ
RP3DPM CSC BN VAAI1S RP2AP VPAM2P P RP1GS
846 3754 3763 1097 5209 672 575 1700
92.11 90.21 67.10 27.18 92.7 15.51 89.122 92.1
workers of lawlessness
οἱ12 ἐργαζόμενοι13 ← τὴν14 ἀνομίαν15
ὁ ἐργάζομαι ὁ ἀνομία
DNPM VPUP-PNM DASF NASF
3588 2038 3588 458
92.24 13.9 92.24 88.139
Expanded:
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord—the reduplication of the title “Lord” denoting zeal in according it to Christ (see Mk 14:45). Yet our Lord claims and expects this of all His disciples, as when He washed their feet: “Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am” (Jn 13:13).
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven—that will which it had been the great object of this discourse to set forth. Yet our Lord says warily, not “the will of your Father,” but “of My Father”; thus claiming a relationship to His Father with which His disciples might not intermeddle, and which He never lets down. And He so speaks here to give authority to His asseverations. But now He rises higher still—not formally announcing Himself as the Judge, but intimating what men will say to Him, and He to them, when He sits as their final judge.
22. Many will say to me in that day—What day? It is emphatically unnamed. But it is the day to which He had just referred, when men shall “enter” or not enter “into the kingdom of heaven.” (See a similar way of speaking of “that day” in 2Ti 1:12; 4:8).
Lord, Lord—The reiteration denotes surprise. “What, Lord? How is this? Are we to be disowned?”
have we not prophesied—or, “publicly taught.” As one of the special gifts of the Spirit in the early Church, it has the sense of “inspired and authoritative teaching,” and is ranked next to the apostleship. (See 1Co 12:28; Eph 4:11). In this sense it is used here, as appears from what follows.
in thy name—or, “to thy name,” and so in the two following clauses—“having reference to Thy name as the sole power in which we did it.”
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works—or, miracles. These are selected as three examples of the highest services rendered to the Christian cause, and through the power of Christ’s own name, invoked for that purpose; He Himself, too, responding to the call. And the threefold repetition of the question, each time in the same form, expresses in the liveliest manner the astonishment of the speakers at the view now taken of them.
23. And then will I profess unto them—or, openly proclaim—tearing off the mask.
I never knew you—What they claimed as intimacy with Christ, is just what He repudiates, and with a certain scornful dignity. “Our acquaintance was not broken off—there never was any.”
depart from me—(Compare Mt 25:41). The connection here gives these words an awful significance. They claimed intimacy with Christ, and in the corresponding passage, Lu 13:26, are represented as having gone out and in with Him on familiar terms. “So much the worse for you,” He replies: “I bore with that long enough; but now—begone!”
ye that work iniquity—not “that wrought iniquity”; for they are represented as fresh from the scenes and acts of it as they stand before the Judge. (See on the almost identical, but even more vivid and awful, description of the scene in Lu 13:24–27). That the apostle alludes to these very words in 2Ti 2:19 there can hardly be any doubt—“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
Point (vii) On marginalised Member, Neil Hart and others with a pro-gay attitude not entering the Kingdom of Heaven. ”Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Romans 1:32 (KJV) Here the death is indeed a spiritual death, but physically an everlasting sojourn in the fire that is never quenched.
Part 2 In response to “Marginalised Member” (MM from here on).
Re 2012-3-18.
Line 6 and 7. Very well put MM, I agree with you that we are all sinners, but it is obviously upon us not to practice sins that are clearly describe as abominations. As sinners we are all equal; however we do not all have the same amount of FAITH. Most sins – if not all – can be conquered by faith. Over the many decades of my life I have had to conquer many faults in my life style, I have NOT been successful in the conquering of all – may the LORD forgive me – but this does not mean that no sin is conquerable, we are taught in the Liturgy that Christ Jesus forgives us the guilt of our sins by HIS innocent suffering and death; however, that does never mean that we can sin at liberty, it means that we must always strive to do God’s will; for that we must diligently study the Holy Bible and our Lutheran doctrine as expounded in the Book of Concord.
Re 2012-12-02.
Dear MM if you are a Bible believing Christian, homosexuality IS a sin; the Holy Bible does teach that sodomy IS a sin, God destroyed a whole city because the people were given over to sodomy, Genesis 18:16 – 19:17. I believe that God calls sodomy a sin.
Yes I believe that there are types of sin, research your Holy Bible and find the implications of sinning against the Holy Spirit, as compared to other sins. Yes I believe that it is possible to sin and still be a Christian; however, to repeatedly and doggedly going against the Word of God will have its own implications.
Re 2012-12-03.
I have already dealt with the unauthorised addition to the Word of God “AND DOES NOT ENGAGE IN ANAL SEX”. Do NOT add to, or change in any other way the Word of God. It is inappropriate. The answer is also contained above.
May the Lord God, in HIS love, have mercy on us all.
Barney.
I Praise God that someone with a head grey with wisdom and truth has risen to slay the dragon of false teaching.Good on you Pr.Christian.We need more men in this times like you.To Neil remember this.an essential part of Jesus ministry was the forgiveness of sins ie; most demoniacs,the lepers, the blind and deaf ,the woman living in sin and the prostitute and the people who wished to stone her were all told they were forgiven but they were also told to go and sin no more.Both these to elements fair got up the religious noses of the religious rulers of the day because they believed that only God could do that.They either couldn’t or wouldn’t for what ever the reason accept that Jesus could do that because he was God the incarnate word made flesh who dwelt among us.If one doesn’t not accept this then that person is in revolt against God and their salvation is naught.Sin is Sin.It is Just that ,open revolt against the God who makes and sustains us and has given us these laws to live and guide our lives.for the good of the one and the many.In this alone we are called to judge the individual not is they have sinned because Jesus didn’t judge that way.He judged on whether they repented and sinned no more and also on whether they taught and lived the truth.They apostles also did this.Paul clearly states that that even if that which is being delivered is done so by an angel but that the message is not the one that he,Paul learned and has been proclaiming/declaring then that person/angel is to be declared/accursed or cut of if they refuse to repent of the false teaching.There is no such strictures in place except for the unforgivable sin mentioned in the Gospels.Neil you needs must seriously look at where this stuff is coming from.It is very much what I would expect someone who followed the ideology of liberation/liberal/social gospel.This is far different to that which is proclaimed and declared in the Bible.God’s word never changes because God Himself never changes.Remember Neil and co God declares this about himself through out the Scriptures and the teachings of the Church in the Book of Concord and the Theses of Agreement testify to this unchangeable immutable truth. One cannot as a Christian live in the world and partake of vanity fair with Mr.Worldly Wise Man and be at the same time a follower of Christ.They are mutually exclusive.To be a Christian is to Take the high narrow rocky road which is full of tough times and is also long and full of cares. The other road while broad and pleasant is short and leads to eternal destruction.I should know about the narrow road for amongst other things I have lived with undiagnosed and diagnosed bi polar disorder since i was 23-24.I tend to think looking back I had it even as a child.There are numerous things which point to this.I also have had many other problems in life and to me or even the casual observer that Murphy likes to run my life as he sees fit.Even with medication I have much depression.
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